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	<title>Comments on: Inhabiting the Cruciform God (Part 2: Nonviolence)</title>
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	<description>Telling the story of the story-bound God</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Packer</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/01/31/inhabiting-the-cruciform-god-part-2-nonviolence/comment-page-1/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Packer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great reply, Daniel. Have you had much of a look at Glen Stassen&#039;s (et al) &#039;Just Peacemaking&#039; theory and practices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great reply, Daniel. Have you had much of a look at Glen Stassen&#8217;s (et al) &#8216;Just Peacemaking&#8217; theory and practices?</p>
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		<title>By: J. R. Daniel Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/01/31/inhabiting-the-cruciform-god-part-2-nonviolence/comment-page-1/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>J. R. Daniel Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, you ask a very good question. Part of my answer is practical/pragmatic: I have an African American friend who told me she couldn&#039;t be a pacifist because she had to always be able to say that the American Civil War was just. One might think that a Jew reflecting on WWII would have a similar concern.

I &lt;em&gt;am&lt;/em&gt; convinced that it is always the Christian&#039;s task to witness to an alternative narrative, alternative story of justice and power. Moreover, I think that just war theory in practice is &quot;justify all wars&quot; theory.

But I&#039;m just not prepared to say that war is always the worst evil on the table in every circumstance and should therefore be averted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, you ask a very good question. Part of my answer is practical/pragmatic: I have an African American friend who told me she couldn&#8217;t be a pacifist because she had to always be able to say that the American Civil War was just. One might think that a Jew reflecting on WWII would have a similar concern.</p>
<p>I <em>am</em> convinced that it is always the Christian&#8217;s task to witness to an alternative narrative, alternative story of justice and power. Moreover, I think that just war theory in practice is &#8220;justify all wars&#8221; theory.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m just not prepared to say that war is always the worst evil on the table in every circumstance and should therefore be averted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Packer</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/01/31/inhabiting-the-cruciform-god-part-2-nonviolence/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Packer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one dragged kicking and screaming toward pacifism as a vocation of the Christian community, I have to ask what it means (really) to say, &quot;Even if one is not prepared to be a pacifist when confronted with every geo-political question (as I am not),...&quot;

In what sense are you confronted with geo-political realities that require you to make a decision about employing violence? 

The nation states of which we are a part will undoubtedly use violence and generally have to argued into relying less upon those means. We don&#039;t have to make a case for the use of violence. It  is the default mode of all or most of the world. 

Our call is to learn a different way (against many inclinations, &#039;natural&#039; and &#039;cultural&#039;). What is at stake in our showing our supposed &#039;realism&#039; that we think the nation state should use violence as though someone somewhere waits with bated breath for our justification or endorsement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one dragged kicking and screaming toward pacifism as a vocation of the Christian community, I have to ask what it means (really) to say, &#8220;Even if one is not prepared to be a pacifist when confronted with every geo-political question (as I am not),&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>In what sense are you confronted with geo-political realities that require you to make a decision about employing violence? </p>
<p>The nation states of which we are a part will undoubtedly use violence and generally have to argued into relying less upon those means. We don&#8217;t have to make a case for the use of violence. It  is the default mode of all or most of the world. </p>
<p>Our call is to learn a different way (against many inclinations, &#8216;natural&#8217; and &#8216;cultural&#8217;). What is at stake in our showing our supposed &#8216;realism&#8217; that we think the nation state should use violence as though someone somewhere waits with bated breath for our justification or endorsement?</p>
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		<title>By: J. R. Daniel Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/01/31/inhabiting-the-cruciform-god-part-2-nonviolence/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>J. R. Daniel Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul seemed to think so before he met Jesus. He was apparently acting out the same sort of violent zeal that got Phinehas approved as righteous before God. When Phinehas stood up and interposed (by killing the bad guys!) &quot;it was reckoned to him as righteousness&quot; (Psalm 106:30-31).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul seemed to think so before he met Jesus. He was apparently acting out the same sort of violent zeal that got Phinehas approved as righteous before God. When Phinehas stood up and interposed (by killing the bad guys!) &#8220;it was reckoned to him as righteousness&#8221; (Psalm 106:30-31).</p>
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		<title>By: pduggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>pduggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He now understood that God did not justify on the basis of distributed violence, but through the absorption of violence on the cross &quot;

Unpack please? What was &#039;distributed violence&quot;, who thought like that, and absorption of whose violence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He now understood that God did not justify on the basis of distributed violence, but through the absorption of violence on the cross &#8221;</p>
<p>Unpack please? What was &#8216;distributed violence&#8221;, who thought like that, and absorption of whose violence?</p>
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