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	<title>Comments on: Hip Christianity</title>
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		<title>By: Hipster Christianity? &#171; Rooted + Radical</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5807</link>
		<dc:creator>Hipster Christianity? &#171; Rooted + Radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: J. R. Daniel Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5543</link>
		<dc:creator>J. R. Daniel Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not read the book, Scot, just the article. The article doesn&#039;t give much hope that he&#039;ll have acute thinking with regard to pragmatics, but I&#039;ll be happy to learn that I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not read the book, Scot, just the article. The article doesn&#8217;t give much hope that he&#8217;ll have acute thinking with regard to pragmatics, but I&#8217;ll be happy to learn that I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Scot McKnight</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5505</link>
		<dc:creator>Scot McKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

Have you read Brett&#039;s book or just this article? He&#039;s after the pragmatic problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>Have you read Brett&#8217;s book or just this article? He&#8217;s after the pragmatic problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5497</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post as always.  I appreciate McCracken&#039;s stuff in Relevant Magazine (yes, one of the &quot;official&quot; subscriptions of Christian hipsters ;-)

I think I see what McCracken is trying to say and I share similar frustrations but I felt he was too dismissive of some worthy people, churches and the emerging church movement.  You know where to read more of course.

Anyway, clicking around here makes me realize that I have neglected my Google Reader for too long ... I&#039;ll see you around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post as always.  I appreciate McCracken&#8217;s stuff in Relevant Magazine (yes, one of the &#8220;official&#8221; subscriptions of Christian hipsters <img src='http://www.jrdkirk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think I see what McCracken is trying to say and I share similar frustrations but I felt he was too dismissive of some worthy people, churches and the emerging church movement.  You know where to read more of course.</p>
<p>Anyway, clicking around here makes me realize that I have neglected my Google Reader for too long &#8230; I&#8217;ll see you around.</p>
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		<title>By: Hipsters, Faith, and Truth &#124; onehandclapping</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5483</link>
		<dc:creator>Hipsters, Faith, and Truth &#124; onehandclapping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a typical response I’ve been hearing to his stuff, which Daniel Kirk gave best of here and here). And just to clarify (since I know people will say it), it’s not that I think “hipsters,” or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5260</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article popped on my facebook feed, and then I saw you responded to it (also via facebook).  It seems to me that McCracken would have been more accurate using his loose terms of hip and cool in a critique of the pragmatic evangelical tradition, best exemplified by the numerous interpretations of the Willow Creek and Saddleback&#039;s models.  I&#039;m about to paint with a broad brush here, but I&#039;ve noted their use of celebrity-endorsement tactics.  E.g. &quot;This pastor (or frequently youth pastor) is a really cool guy and he says it&#039;s because of Jesus.  Do you want to be cool like him?  Then look to Jesus!&quot; 

If anything the emergings have gone the opposite way by bringing to light that the marginalized and unpopular gravitated toward Jesus, not the in-crowd.  It&#039;s interesting that if McCracken had done a little more research, a number of his points would have been an affirmation of the emerging/younger evangelical movement, not a negative critique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article popped on my facebook feed, and then I saw you responded to it (also via facebook).  It seems to me that McCracken would have been more accurate using his loose terms of hip and cool in a critique of the pragmatic evangelical tradition, best exemplified by the numerous interpretations of the Willow Creek and Saddleback&#8217;s models.  I&#8217;m about to paint with a broad brush here, but I&#8217;ve noted their use of celebrity-endorsement tactics.  E.g. &#8220;This pastor (or frequently youth pastor) is a really cool guy and he says it&#8217;s because of Jesus.  Do you want to be cool like him?  Then look to Jesus!&#8221; </p>
<p>If anything the emergings have gone the opposite way by bringing to light that the marginalized and unpopular gravitated toward Jesus, not the in-crowd.  It&#8217;s interesting that if McCracken had done a little more research, a number of his points would have been an affirmation of the emerging/younger evangelical movement, not a negative critique.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Flagg</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5211</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Flagg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...continuing to speak the gospel so that it only makes sense within the sub-culture of the church.&quot;

Dang...if only more church leaders would take this observation to heart and seek to correct the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;continuing to speak the gospel so that it only makes sense within the sub-culture of the church.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dang&#8230;if only more church leaders would take this observation to heart and seek to correct the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Koepke Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5206</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Koepke Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Head is spinning . . ..:-)</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Nigh</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5192</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Nigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the broadest level, I mean whatever it is that makes us think we can follow Christ while being removed from him by 2,000 years, half the circumference of the globe, and all kinds of cultural differences.  

To articulate what exactly I think that is, God has not left us in our alienation from him but has (I&#039;m going to be an unapologetic dogmatic theologian at this point) implanted his own internal relations, that between the Father and Son in the Spirit, within the matrix of human relations, histories and cultures, giving us an access point to himself.  The eternal relation between the Father and Son is translated into a relation between God and humanity so that as we are bound to Christ by the Spirit, we become participants in that eternal relationship of love.  Christ is then universally relevant because in him and only in him God has bound himself to humanity and has bound humanity to himself.  Of course, this binding has taken place through a particular man who was deeply contextualized in the dramatic history of Israel and it is always that Jesus in all of that historical contextualization that is universally relevant.  I&#039;d say the ability of that particular humanity to be universally relevant to all other humanity is a function primarily of the Holy Spirit, though we might also secondarily talk about the continuity of human history giving a sense of unity to the variety of human cultures to which Christ came.  Yes, Christ was deeply contextualized in his particular sitz im laben which is significantly different from my own, but this is a distinction of degrees, not kind; the Son wasn&#039;t incarnated as a Toydarian on Tatooine, but a human being on earth.  One can be guilty of overstating the distance between the two horizons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the broadest level, I mean whatever it is that makes us think we can follow Christ while being removed from him by 2,000 years, half the circumference of the globe, and all kinds of cultural differences.  </p>
<p>To articulate what exactly I think that is, God has not left us in our alienation from him but has (I&#8217;m going to be an unapologetic dogmatic theologian at this point) implanted his own internal relations, that between the Father and Son in the Spirit, within the matrix of human relations, histories and cultures, giving us an access point to himself.  The eternal relation between the Father and Son is translated into a relation between God and humanity so that as we are bound to Christ by the Spirit, we become participants in that eternal relationship of love.  Christ is then universally relevant because in him and only in him God has bound himself to humanity and has bound humanity to himself.  Of course, this binding has taken place through a particular man who was deeply contextualized in the dramatic history of Israel and it is always that Jesus in all of that historical contextualization that is universally relevant.  I&#8217;d say the ability of that particular humanity to be universally relevant to all other humanity is a function primarily of the Holy Spirit, though we might also secondarily talk about the continuity of human history giving a sense of unity to the variety of human cultures to which Christ came.  Yes, Christ was deeply contextualized in his particular sitz im laben which is significantly different from my own, but this is a distinction of degrees, not kind; the Son wasn&#8217;t incarnated as a Toydarian on Tatooine, but a human being on earth.  One can be guilty of overstating the distance between the two horizons.</p>
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		<title>By: J. R. Daniel Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.jrdkirk.com/2010/08/16/hip-christianity/#comment-5191</link>
		<dc:creator>J. R. Daniel Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GC, I think that as often as not asking the right questions is far more important than giving the right answers. Asking the right questions keeps us on the right road, keeps us walking, keeps us on a journey. Call me a postmodernist, but it seems to me that following and walking after Jesus is more like a journey in the right direction than a stationary repetition of what we know is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GC, I think that as often as not asking the right questions is far more important than giving the right answers. Asking the right questions keeps us on the right road, keeps us walking, keeps us on a journey. Call me a postmodernist, but it seems to me that following and walking after Jesus is more like a journey in the right direction than a stationary repetition of what we know is correct.</p>
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